Rapid Transformational Therapy with Natalie Ryan Hebert

EPISODE 25

Today, we discuss an interesting form of therapy, that has proven effective in dealing with past trauma, among many other things.

Natalie Ryan Hebert is joining me, as we dig into what Rapid Transformational Therapy is, how it can help with many of the issues we face as women in our 40’s, including inner child work and mom guilt. Natalie shares the story of her struggles and how her life was changed when she discovered RTT, by stumbling upon Marisa Peer online one day.

Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT) is a super therapy developed and fine-tuned over thirty years by world-renowned therapist Marisa Peer. It combines the most effective principles of Hypnotherapy, NLP, Psychotherapy and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy to bring unparalleled results in one to three sessions.

Natalie was one of the first in Denmark to become certified as an RTT Practitioner, trained by Marisa, and she continues ongoing coaching and development with her and her team. She also works closely with a group of Psychologists, coaches and Psychotherapists who all agree this is the most effective method they have ever used or encountered.

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT


Doryn Wallach:

Welcome to It's Not A Crisis. I am your host, Doryn Wallach. I'm an entrepreneur, a mother of two, a wife and a 40 something, trying to figure out, "What is happening in this decade? Why is no one talking about it?" I created this podcast to help women in their late 30s and 40s to figure out what is going on in our mind, body, soul and life. We may laugh. We may cry. We may get frustrated. But most importantly, my goal is to make this next chapter of life positive. I'm also full of my own questions, and I'm here to go on this journey with you. So, let's do it together.

Hi, everyone. I cannot believe it's almost February. How did that happen? Don't you feel like March happened and then everything else is fuzzy until then? That's how I feel. Anyway, today's episode, I have a really interesting guest. She does something I've never heard of before. I had to have her on, because not only am I having her talk about what she does, but she has worked with PMDD patients because she had it herself and cured it through this type of therapy. But many other things for women has she cured through this therapy. So, when I contacted Natalie, we had our first conversation. I said, "Okay, here's the deal. I want to interview you before. And then I want to go through this therapy with you. I want to talk about the experience after."

So, this is our initial interview. She talks about what she does. And then I'm going to go through the program and hopefully come back a new person after all of this, but you're going to love Natalie. Her voice is so relaxing. You'll understand why she does what she does and maybe get sleepy, but don't fall asleep because then you'll miss the podcast. Natalie Ryan Hebert is a Rapid Transformational Therapy practitioner and coach. What is that? Well, you're going to have to listen to hear a little bit more. She was born in Australia. She now lives in Copenhagen, Denmark with her husband and four kids.

Working with clients all over the world via Zoom, Natalie helps people to rewire their minds and in turn change their lives using RTT, a hybrid therapy combining the best of hypnotherapy, parts therapy, inner child work and NLP to bring transformative results. Natalie has worked with all sorts of issues from weight release to money blocks to confidence, fear of flying, quitting smoking, but the area closest to her heart is helping women with premenstrual mood issues, primarily PMDD or premenstrual dysphoric disorder. Hi, Natalie. Welcome to the show.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Hi, Doryn.


Doryn Wallach:

I am so excited to have you today, Rapid Transformational Therapy. So, you had contacted me through Instagram as I've mentioned before in the intro, but I'm really excited to start doing this process with you. I've never heard of it before. So, I'm glad to have you here giving information about it. I just want to start with, how did you even get started in this?


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Well, so I had a psychology degree, which I'd never actually used. I always knew I wanted to go back to therapy. I did a whole singer-songwriter thing. I worked in marketing, did all this other stuff. But I was burning to get back into therapy, I knew that I probably had a real knack for. I'm the one that everyone would talk to in the lunch breaks about all this stuff.


Doryn Wallach:

That's me. I'm that person.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Yeah, I go, "I shouldn't be in marketing. What am I doing?" So, I always knew I wanted to get into it. So, I came across Marisa Peer, who developed Rapid Transformational Therapy. She's an amazing, very inspiring woman. She's the one that Hollywood calls if they're having problems with their actors. They need to get them sorted out right away so they can get back on set. So, she's the best at what she does really in the world, I think.

The results that she gets with this therapy are almost miraculous. You almost can't believe it to start with. She developed this Rapid Transformational Therapy, RTT over 30 years. It combines the most effective principles of hypnotherapy, NLP psychotherapy, the timeline therapy, inner child work. All the best of that is rolled into one. It can clear stuff that you might have been dealing with for years like depression, anxiety, phobias, smoking, addictions-


Doryn Wallach:

Oh, wow.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

... within one to three sessions.


Doryn Wallach:

Wow.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Yeah. So, I actually saw a video of hers. And then I went, "Bloody hell. This is unbelievable." And then I just went down this Marisa Peer rabbit hole. You just keep watching more.


Doryn Wallach:

You just get obsessed with something.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Yeah. I just kept watching her and watching her going, "Okay." And then I discovered that, "Oh, she's actually teaching this therapy. Okay, that's it. This is what I've been waiting for. This is what I'm born for." So, I trained with Marisa and learned her therapy. It's changed my life. Personally, it's changed my life. All the crap that I quit being carrying, that I had been working on for years, doing all the personal growth and the self-help books and the meditation, the yoga and all that stuff just cleared everything in a very short space of time.

If anything does come up, if I find I'm triggered by anything now, I go, "Oh, what was that?" I would have just have RTT to sort it out, whether it's money blocks, receiving issues. I mean, it's not just for depression, anxiety, PMDD, things like that. I mean, any blocks. Even as you keep moving up and growing, you think, "Oh, why do I feel a bit scared to do a Facebook Live?", for example, something as basic as that. Well, you've got visibility fears, honey. So, you can have RTT on that. Why am I afraid? So, it's an incredible therapy.


Doryn Wallach:

Explain exactly what it is, because there's so much out there today that I find it extraordinarily overwhelming, but I am very open minded. Not that this podcast is going to be about PMDD, but I had read that it had really cured your PMDD. So, as I've mentioned before, I have tried everything. I will continue to try anything and everything if it works. So, tell us what RTT exactly is and how it differs from other types. I mean, you just went over it a little bit, but what is the process of RTT?


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

So, hypnosis is the vehicle, because really, we need to get to the subconscious. You can do all the conscious work you like, but you will not get to, not likely, the real root cause of what's underneath. The best way I can probably explain it is with an example from a client. So, my client, let's call her Maria. She came to me because she said, "I have been trying to lose weight for years. I'm about 40 pounds overweight. I get the first 10 pounds off and then self-sabotage kicks in every time. All my good eating habits go to the dogs. I don't feel like exercising and then all the weight piles back on again." I thought, "Okay, well let's find out what's driving this self-sabotage, because there's a subconscious belief." That's why it's willpower versus subconscious.


Doryn Wallach:

By the way, when that happens to me, I'm like, "Oh, I'm so skinny. I can eat now."


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Yeah, I mean, that's probably part of it that's just in nature that says, "Okay, go and have that cheesecake." But for her, this was an ongoing battle. She thought, "I want to lose this weight." Willpower wanted to lose the weight. Consciously, she wanted to be 20 kilos lighter. Her subconscious said, "That isn't happening, sister." So, she went, "Okay, why? What is this?" She said to me, "Look, I think I know what it is." I said, "Oh, yes. What do you think it is?" She said, "Well, I think it's because my mum was really jealous of my figure when I was younger." I said, "Yeah, it's not that." She goes, "What do you mean it's not that?" I said, "Well, you're aware of that, Maria. So, if it were that, you would have fixed it by now, wouldn't you?"

She goes, "I'm not a teenager anymore. I don't care what my mom thinks now." She goes, "Oh, gosh." She goes, "Well, what can it be?" I said, "Well, we'll find out, won't we?" So, the process is I put her into hypnosis, which is very easy. It's just a light. It's a light hypnosis. You're in control. You could open your eyes at any time if you really wanted to. I take it back to three to four scenes from her life that have everything to do with the route, the cause and the reason for why you are sabotaging your weight loss efforts.

Every scene she went back to and the subconscious will just pop the scene onto the screen of your mind. I said, "Okay, where are you?" I'm at home. How old are you? I'm five. What's happening here? My dad's taking pictures of me in my swimsuit. Okay, how are you feeling? Uncomfortable. So, the same goes on. Nothing bad's happening in particular, but it's just like, "He seems to think I'm too attractive. I don't like the way my dad is looking at me and taking pictures of me." So that's the first thing.

Next thing, she wins a trophy in swimming. A granddad says to her, "Oh, Maria, would you give me a picture of you in your swimmers holding the trophy, so I can put up a memento piece?" Again, she gets the same feeling of, "Ew, I don't like this attention I'm getting for my body. I don't want him to be looking at me in my swimmers." Third scene, she's at a family birthday party. There's some "uncle" in inverted commas there, some friend of the family, some old guy. Oh, come on, Maria. Come and sit up on Uncle Harry's knee. She's like, "I don't want to." Her dad's going, "Go on, go on. Go sit on Harry's knee. Go on." So, she's six years old. She goes over and she doesn't want to. She doesn't like it. He's touching her thigh, going, "Oh, you're a lovely little girl, aren't you?"

Nothing all that bad happens, but again, it's this feeling of, "Ugh, I don't like the attention I'm getting for my body." So of course, our clever little subconscious says, "Well, I know, if we make sure that if you're not too slim and you're not too attractive, you won't get that unwanted attention, will you?" That's what was underneath.


Doryn Wallach:

She wasn't aware of that at all until you-


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

She wasn't in the slightest way aware of it. So, then we have to undo it. That's the next part of the process where she has her adult self goes back to little Maria and says, "Listen, honey. When you're older, this won't feel this way. You know that you're not in danger. You're safe. I've got you and I'm always going to look after you. I'm always going to protect you. I won't let anyone come near you who you don't feel safe with. So, you're completely safe. You can run around in your swimmers. You can be slim and beautiful and gorgeous. I want that for you."

So, she has a pep talk with her younger self. It's like going back in a time machine and fixing everything back in time psychologically in your mind. So, that you don't have that belief. You undo it. And then she also is able to remove the part that is running that sabotage and say, "Listen, I don't need you. Thanks for your help, but I want to look hot in my bikini. I'm 47. My dad, he's welcome to pervert me all day long. I don't care," right? There's a difference. So, then it's like shift, and her mind changes. When she comes out of that hypnosis, she's got a new set of beliefs. And then her behavior changes, because the beliefs run the behavior.


Doryn Wallach:

So, I can't even meditate. I barely can focus. My head is all over the place. So, anytime I've heard about hypnosis and I'm sure somebody else is thinking this, I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, whatever. There's no way anyone could ever make me get to that place, because I'm typically somewhat anxious and my mind is processing." Is that a common fear of your patients?


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Yeah, definitely. I work with a lot of women who have PMDD. Anxiety is a huge part of that. So, I'm used to having clients come to me and they're like, "Oh, what if it doesn't work?" I say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, listen to me now." But I can't visualize. I go, "Okay. Do you know the way back down to the front door?" They say, "Yeah." I go, "How do you know that? Because you're seeing it, aren't you?" Oh, yeah. Yeah, actually. I think the thing that people are afraid of with hypnosis is they think they're going to lose control. They have this idea of this stage hypnotist making them and turning them into a chicken.


Doryn Wallach:

All right. Well, I think that's my other thing. I'm a control freak.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

I think that's the thing, I'm not going to be able to let go. So, look, all hypnosis is self-hypnosis for the first thing. Second thing is you cannot do anything, unless you want to do it. Even people who get up on stage and act like chickens, they're chosen because they are up for it. The stage hypnotist knows that. It's like if I said to you, "Look, from tomorrow, you're going to dye your hair green," but you're not going to because you don't want that. Your mind works for you. You're the gatekeeper. So, you're going to be able to say, "Actually, I don't want that." The hypnosis won't work. The suggestions will not work unless you want what I'm telling you that you want.

So, if I say you are confident, you are amazing, you feel so great, you're not going to go, "Well, I don't want that." You're going to go, "Yes, please. Bring it on." And then you are the one commanding your subconscious mind saying, "Are you listening? Listen to that. That's what I want. That's what I insist upon for myself now." So, all the power is with you.

I think it's important to let my clients know that you are the one in control here. I'm just a humble facilitator, helping your subconscious and conscious mind have a little chat. So, that you can upgrade your operating system. But I'm not programming you. You are and you're the only one who can. So, that tends to help people to say, "Okay, yeah, I want that. I want to let go and I want to have this experience." I think you can resist me if you want to and it's not going to work; or you can just go with it and then it will work. Just let go and it will work.


Doryn Wallach:

Do you find that this is working better now for women over 40? Because I think we are at that age where we're letting go of a lot of stuff and we're becoming more open minded as we get older.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

I think the reason that so many of my clients are 30s, 40s is because it's taken that long to work out that they have PMDD for one thing. Women go undiagnosed for years with it. Yeah, there is that readiness to heal. That's another thing. There are four stages of readiness to healing. It begins with victimhood and ends with, "I am willing to do whatever it takes." That's where I want my clients to be. I don't want to drag them out of victimhood. I don't want to force or try and drag a horse to water and make it drink. That's not what I want to do. You're the power. I'm there to help you use that power. Thirties and 40s is when a woman starts to go, "I'm ready. I got to sort this out. I do not want the next half of my life to be carrying all this baggage."


Doryn Wallach:

Yes, the whole point of my podcast. Exactly.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

Yeah.


Doryn Wallach:

Can you talk us through what happens in a typical RTT session? I know, you went over it a little bit, but a little bit more in detail.


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

So, it starts with the induction. So, basically, we create rapid eye movement. That actually induces an alpha brainwave state. It's a bit of a brain hack, I suppose. Because when the eyes are up, your brain thinks, "Oh, oh, Doryn's about to start dreaming." No, you're just not, but the brain thinks, "Well, the eyes are doing REM." So, now, the brain is going to move to an alpha brainwave state. It's a slower, more suggestible brainwave state.

It's actually the brainwave state that children are in up until about the age of seven. That's why they are so suggestible little sponges. They learn languages really easily. So, that's where we need to get you back to. So, you can edit the program that you laid down in your first seven years of life. So, I put you into hypnosis, walk you down some stairs. And then we test for suggestibility. I have a few little tests to see that your subconscious is responding the way we need it to.


Doryn Wallach:

Then what do you do? What are those tests?


Natalie Ryan Hebert:

I tell you, you've got a really heavy bucket in your hand full of wet sand and then your arm feels like it's made of lead. It'll start getting pulled down. You're like, "Whoa." So, your eyelids are sealed shut. They're locked tight. They're closed together. You can try to open them, but you're going to find their seals are shut. They are too, I can't even open them. So, because the subconscious is believing. Or I'll tell you, you've just taken a bite of a lemon. Now, your mouth is filling with saliva, because there's a lemon and your mouth does fill with saliva. So, it's just testing that the subconscious is listening to the suggestions and responding. And then we regress back to three scenes, where we go through and I find, "Okay, what's the belief being formed here?" And then it becomes pretty clear.

Then I get you to say, "Right, here's your life today. You got this problem here. Here are the scenes that your subconscious brought to you to tell you here's why. Now put that together. What do you understand?" Client understands that. Of course, the subconscious is right there to help them. I do lots of other things. If someone's done something wrong to you or a parent or anyone in your life who's hurt you, there's dialoguing with the hurt that we do. So, you can really release a lot of stuff that you may never get to say. Sometimes I've had clients whose parents have passed on, and they've never got to have this conversation. They can have that in hypnosis. It's very healing.

What else do we do? Upgrading the child's mind; going back as the adult self; talking to that little child; saying, "I'm becoming a loving parent to you now. I know just how to meet your needs. Listen, I know you thought you weren't good enough when this happened, but you are good enough. You've always been good enough." So, having that talk with your younger self, bringing your younger self back to where you are now, saying, "Look how different everything is. Look at all the food in the fridge. We buy that for ourselves now. You have the control now. Look at all the clothes in the cupboard. They're all yours that you've bought." Showing the child that you do have power now. You're not the dependent child who you used to be. You end up growing up to be strong and independent.

And then at the end of all of the upgrading and the releasing and the dialoguing, then I create a recording. That's called the transformation. All that's in it is just a whole lot of awesome positive suggestions, because the mind rewires through repetition. Neural pathways for neuroplasticity is that the neurons that fire together wire together. So, we fire a thought when I give you a suggestion. I'm telling you, "You feel amazing. You feel alive. You feel confident." I give scenarios of what that would look like. You're visualizing that. Your mind's moving towards it. It starts to wire that in as your reality, and then you listen to the recording for 30 days. That's RTT, yeah, the best explanation I can give of it without you actually having this.


Doryn Wallach:

No, that was a great explanation. What happens if somebody doesn't come up with something? What do you do then?